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Consultation Forum I
- for performing arts practitioners and arts groups
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Date: |
5:30 p.m.,
16 October (Thursday) |
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Facilitator: |
Professor
Chan Wing-wah |
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Chairman
of Arts Promotion Committee of the Hong Kong Arts Development
Council |
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Participants: |
Mr Ngai Wing-chit |
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Principal Assistant
Secretary for Home Affairs (Culture) |
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Ms Choi Suk-kuen |
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Deputy Director of Leisure
& Cultural Services (Culture) |
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Mr Li Ho-kin |
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Assistant Secretary
for Housing, Planning and Lands (Planning) |
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Will the West Kowloon Cultural District
have enough performance venues for large local and
mainland xiqu troupes? Will the Cultural District
have an outdoor stage suitable for xiqu performances
and an arts market for the sale of xiqu merchandise?
Will Government set up a xiqu training programme
given the proposed facilities? Does Government have
a subsidy programme or a development fund for the
development of the entire arts and cultural community? |
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As stated in the Invitation for Proposals,
Government only requires Proponents to provide the
minimum number of seats as mandatory requirements
for the performance venues in the core arts and
cultural facilities. Government only provides reference
to world-class standard facilities in the technical
specifications. Proponents are free to recommend
different suggestions to cater to the needs of the
arts and cultural community. There are many different
possibilities in providing the various software
and we believe the developer will listen to the
views of the arts and cultural community, including
the xiqu community, before making their recommendations.
Besides, Government requires the Proponents to provide
assurance that the facilities will be run in an
effective, efficient, business-oriented, financially
responsible and publicly accountable manner. The
mode of governance proposed should be conducive
to enhancing the long term cultural development
of Hong Kong and attracting public support. Government
has already provided Proponents with local and overseas
examples of governance of similar developments for
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Why are there only three theatres
in such a large development area? Did Government
consider the current performance needs of Hong Kong
when planning? If it cannot meet the needs of local
groups, how can it become a world-class facility?
Also, is there any area within the district that
will be reserved to provide office space for small
and medium sized arts groups? Will Government consider
subsidizing the rent? |
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The core arts and cultural facilities
were drawn up after consultations within the arts,
business and tourism sectors. Proponents are required
to propose other arts and cultural facilities to
complement the core ones. Past experience of the
Leisure and Cultural Services Department shows that
the right facilities in the right location guarantee
a reasonable occupancy rate. Government hopes that
the new facilities will be able to provide more
performance opportunities and inspire more creativity
and vitality. As for the need of office spaces,
we hope the message will be conveyed to the developers
for their consideration through consultation sessions
like today's. |
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It is a very good idea to get the
developer and the cultural sector to work together,
but the Invitation for Proposals does not give any
specific suggestions on how they can work together.
However, most of the developers in Hong Kong have
very little experience in developing cultural facilities.
How could Government guarantee that the developer
will take the views of the cultural sector? To strike
a balance between artistic and business interests,
could some kind of mechanism be included in the
Invitation for Proposals or the assessment process,
such as involving the participation of the arts
and cultural community in the assessment? Also,
could Government require developer to involve a
certain proportion, such as half or one-third, of
artists or arts administrators when drafting their
proposals? Another way to allay the fears among
the cultural sector that developers are hijacking
this project, is to demand the developers to involve
full time arts professionals as administrators during
the implementation of their proposals. I also agree
that a 100 to 150-seat black box theatre is a must.
These small theatres may well turn out to be the
most popular and most easily filled performance
venues. From the business point of view, developer
should give this more thought. Finally, the most
important objective of this project is to change
the current cultural climate of Hong Kong. Only
by increasing the number of cultural performances
to a sustainable level can the arts and culture
in Hong Kong truly flourish. |
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The Invitation for Proposals clearly states that
developer must provide a list of those people
who have been involved in the drafting of the
development proposals and those who will be included
in the management of the development project.
The reasons for recruiting them and other relevant
information must also be included. It is hoped
that this will encourage the cultural sector and
the developers to work together to prepare a workable
and realistic development proposal. We also require
the developers to make developing the arts and
culture in Hong Kong their foremost objective
in this project.
Government does have certain demands on developer
and provides certain guidelines, but at the same
time, gives them a sufficient level of freedom.
We hope that excellent synergy between the cultural
sector and the developer will push the entire
project forward. On the basis of the Invitation
for Proposals, Government welcomes intermediary
organizations such as the Hong Kong Arts Development
Council and other organizations to serve as a
bridge between the various parties to facilitate
exchanges of information. Government will meet
the demands of the cultural sector as far as possible
during the assessment process. This project has
progressed from a five hectares project in the
beginning to a 40 hectares one, with much more
arts and cultural facilities.
The assessment process covers three main areas:
technical, finance and operation. Due to the sensitivity
of financial information, the assessment will
be carried out by civil servants. In the area
of operation and management, the Leisure and Cultural
Services Department and the Home Affairs Bureau
will work closely together as both of them are
very experienced in the area of arts administration
and in tune with the aspirations and hopes of
the cultural sector. In general, the criteria
for assessment include the mission statement,
themes and programme content, business strategy
and operation plan, mode of governance, human
resources strategy and staff structure, the provision,
operation and maintenance of other arts and cultural
facilities.
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In general, local theatres
are subsidised by Government. A privately
run entity is often in deficit. Government
has indicated that it will not slash its financial
support for culture and the arts with the
development of the Cultural District, but
Government has always hoped that sponsorship
of the arts can be undertaken by the business
sector. It is therefore not convincing for
Government to say that it will not cut its
financial aid. For that reason, it is imperative
that an arts development fund be set up to
support training, performance and all other
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If retail shops, or indeed
a whole street of shops, that sell arts supplies
can be opened in the Cultural District, performing
arts students and artists will no longer find
it difficult to source their supplies. It
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The museum cluster lacks a
"theatre museum". |
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Developer should think about
providing theatre companies with storage space
for sets and costumes. This can be shared
among all arts groups. |
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The developer's proposals should
take into consideration working areas peculiar
to theatre companies, especially those areas
that have specific architectural requirements
such as rehearsal rooms and studios. For example,
rehearsal areas should not be located in a
building with curtain walls. |
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With regard to the issue of
providing offices for arts groups, we shall
consider the example of Singapore's Arts Housing
Scheme, where arts groups are regarded as
non-profit organisations and offered with
preferential rates. |
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In promoting traditional Chinese
art forms, Government should not focus solely
on Cantonese Opera and xiqu and neglect other
traditional arts such as puppetry. |
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Developer should aware of the
difference between a Chinese xiqu stage and
a western stage. The stage used in Cantonese
Opera is built with bamboo poles, which makes
it rather special. I suggest the setting up
of special stage facilities for traditional
xiqu performances in the Cultural District
or building a "Xiqu City" in its
non-core area. Also, we should consider adding
a street performance area that allows young
people to present various kinds of street
performances. |
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Apart from the three major
theatres, the developer should consider setting
up several experimental black box theatres
(such as the Fringe Studio in the Fringe Club)
for smaller or more experimental arts groups.
At present, the demand for such studios is
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The arts and cultural community
should continue to monitor the Cultural District
project after it is in operation. Despite
keeping an open mind on the Invitation for
Proposals, Government does have set ideas
about certain art form. The hardware requirements
stated in the Invitation for Proposals indicate
a preference for traditional art forms at
the expense of newer media and other modern
art forms, which are the mainstays of Hong
Kong's artistic future. |
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Consultation Forum II- for non-performing arts practitioners and arts groups
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Date: |
10:30 am,
22 October (Wednesday) |
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Facilitator: |
Mr Tsang Kee-kung |
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Member of
Hong Kong Arts Development Council |
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Participants: |
Mr Ngai Wing-chit |
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Principal Assistant
Secretary for Home Affairs Bureau (Culture) |
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Mr Chung Ling-hoi |
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Assistant Director of
Leisure and Cultural Services Department (Heritage and
Museums) |
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Mr Li Ho-kin |
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Assistant Secretary
for Housing, Planning and Lands (Planning) |
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| Q: |
What makes Government believe that
developer can operate the cultural facilities? What
experience do the developers have that can convince
Hong Kong people? |
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Details on development brief, facilities and
technical requirements, mode of operation and
management are available in the Invitation for
Proposals. It can also be downloaded free of charge
from the project website. With regard to the ratio
of 30% cultural facilities to 70% commercial facilities,
both the construction cost and the cost of other
infrastructure works such as the canopy, the automated
people mover system and improvements to the coastline
must all be taken into consideration. Therefore
a balance must be struck in terms of land use.
The final ratio will depend on the details and
the master plan of the submitted development proposals,
which will be assessed by Government. The assessment
covers three areas: (1) Technical Proposal including
architectural design and planning; (2) Financial
Proposal, including land premium, incomes, funding
of arts and cultural projects, operation of museums;
and (3) Operation, Maintenance and Management
Proposal including mode of governance proposed
for the core arts and cultural facilities and
the proposed governing body. The proposed governing
body is expected to be a body with legal and professional
credibility.
Government encourages the Proponents to suggest
different modes of governance and management for
different cultural facilities. The assessment
panel will assess the proposals from all aspects.
Regarding the issue of the number of cultural
facilities, please note that the West Kowloon
project has progressed from one that originally
only covered five hectares of land to the 40-hectare
multi-purpose facility that is being planned today.
Government is demanding far more core cultural
and arts facilities now than it did previously.
The 30% figure was taken by reference to Norman
Foster's scheme. This is not a tender but an Invitation
for Proposals. It is hoped that the process can
achieve four levels of integration, communication
and partnership: between Government and the public,
between the developer and the arts and cultural
community, between software and hardware, and
between high art and popular culture.
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What makes Government believe that
property developers, will have the interest and
commitment to get involved in this project, given
that the prospects of making a profit are minimal
or even nil? |
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Government had already received replies
from 10 parties expressing their interests in submitting
proposals. We therefore believe that there are developers
who are interested in this project. The contract,
which covers all the rules and regulations for development,
will be very detailed and the successful proponent
will be obliged to fulfil all the requirements under
the contract. |
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Who will make the final decision?
Could the arts and cultural sector be involved in
the assessment process? In the past, the Urban Council
managed the cultural facilities. Who will run the
new facilities in West Kowloon in the future? Experiences
from around the world show that there is no profit
to be made in operating cultural facilities. Does
Government have a regulatory system to monitor the
developer (whose only concern is making profits),
to make sure that they do not unduly emphasize profit-making
events? |
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Government understands that culture and the arts
need public funding. In fact, Government funding
for cultural activities has not been reduced.
However, the percentage of public funding in the
companies' income has been declining because of
an encouraging rise in the share of funding from
the private sector. The development concept of
the West Kowloon Cultural District is to maximize
the resources from the private and the business
sectors. Government, for its part, assigns the
land to the developer. In the Invitation for Proposals,
we require Proponents to provide a very detailed
plan of how they would utilize their resources
(especially in terms of financial arrangements)
to support and run arts and cultural facilities.
The document requires developer, when submitting
their proposals, to guarantee the participation
of experts from the arts and cultural sector in
every stage of the planning process and the eventual
operation and management of the facilities. This
will be one of the criteria in the assessment
process.
The completion of the facilities in West Kowloon
does not mean that existing cultural facilities
will be replaced. At present, two major kinds
of Government sponsorship are available: venue
and performance sponsorship. The arts groups that
make use of the cultural facilities in West Kowloon
in the future may either be Government or privately
funded. This is an area of great flexibility and
possibility. The completion of West Kowloon does
not necessarily lead to a change in Government's
funding policy.
Once Government receives the proposals, it will
undertake a preliminary assessment process. As
this project is very complicated, it is very unlikely
that we will get a perfect proposal. After selecting
a proposal that best meets all the requirements,
Government will present to the Legislature. At
the same time, Government will also brief the
Town Planning Board on the master plan of the
selected proposal. After views were taken, necessary
improvements to the proposal will be made before
the document is submitted for final decision to
the Chief Executive in Council.
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Does Government have any mode of governance
and operation in mind for the museum complex? |
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No. Government does not have a set
mode and is open to suggestions. The governing body
is expected to be a body with legal and professional
credibility, open to participation by persons of
standing in the community and experts in the relevant
fields. |
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In view of the complexity of the project,
it should be governed by a clear and simple accountability
and regulatory system along the same lines as the
Airport Authority with a board of directors or a
management committee accountable to the public.
The most important objective of the West Kowloon
project is to promote and develop culture and the
arts in Hong Kong. As most of the current cultural
facilities are located outside the district and
operated by Government, how will the developer position
the new cultural district in West Kowloon? What
will be its relationship with the Leisure and Cultural
Services Department? Will there be any possibility
of cooperation in terms of programmes and technical
know-how or is the developer allowed to work with
non-Government bodies? Will the developer have any
way of knowing the changes in the Leisure and Cultural
Services Department's policies regarding performance
venue development and management, programming and
funding in the next 10 years? |
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Government welcomes suggestions for any forms
of cooperation but the most important thing is
for the developer to provide a detailed analysis
of the feasibility, rationale, financial arrangements
and practical implementation of the proposal.
The future mode of governance of the Leisure and
Cultural Services Department's existing performance
venues and museums are yet to be studied. The
department has just this month completed public
consultations on a consultant's report on the
future mode of governance of its museums. The
Home Affairs Bureau will consider the final recommendation
report. As for performance venues, this issue
is mentioned in the Culture and Heritage Commission's
policy recommendation report but a decision has
yet to be made. The developer and experts concerned
will study the positioning of the new cultural
district. As for the accountability and regulatory
system, we suggest developer study successful
examples in other countries before submitting
their recommendations to Government.
Whether it involves setting up an organisation
to monitor all the facilities, or having separate
management for individual facilities, the developer
can make recommendations. The Invitation document
states very clearly that the mode of governance
proposed should be "conducive to enhancing
the long term cultural development of Hong Kong
and attracting public support". Different
cultural facilities can have different modes of
governance. Government has set specific requirements
on the project's management accountability, its
accountability to the public, and the level of
professional creditability. All policy changes
require a long time to take effect. Government's
stand on this major project is that the private
sector must be involved in the areas of software
and hardware but this does not preclude the possibility
of cooperation between the private sector and
Government. At present, Government provides performance
venues for subsidised arts groups and at the same
time, rents out those premises on a purely commercial
basis. We believe that there will be a similar
situation in West Kowloon when it is completed.
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Can proposals be made available in
a library for the public to view for free? |
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We may not be able to show members
of the public the proposals under assessment because
all the information that is being processed must
be kept strictly confidential, especially financial
information. This information in fact, should not
be removed from where it is being processed. Also,
there are legal concerns we need to consider. As
the proposals are being processed, we must ensure
that the information provided by each Proponent
will not be leaked to others. If the question is
whether members of the public could be shown the
final proposal approved by the Executive Council,
Government has not come to that point yet but it
is something worth considering. |
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Hong Kong is a cosmopolitan city that
has produced many famous writers over the years.
Can we have a Museum of Literature among the four
proposed museums? |
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The four thematic museums is a suggestion.
The document does not preclude any other kind of
facilities. We believe developers who are interested
will gladly consider your suggestion. |
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Most areas in the New Territories
have bicycle paths and on Hong Kong Island, bicycle
paths have been planned for Sai Ying Pun and Pok
Fu Lam. That leaves Kowloon as the only place without
such facility. Will bicycle paths be included in
the Cultural District for leisure and transportation
purposes, providing an alternative for locals and
tourists? |
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No specific facilities have been planned
for the waterfront promenade of the Cultural District.
Proponents can put forward workable suggestions
after they consider the district's transport link
with other areas. |
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Our past experiences show that there
are many possible mode of governance for this development
project. Based on the ratio of 30% to 70% between
cultural facilities and residential and commercial
property, the developer may consider setting up
something like "West Kowloon Cultural and Arts
Committee" under the auspices of the ADC or
the LCSD, to operate and manage the facilities.
I personally oppose the idea of letting one single
developer take over the whole project. However,
if Government insists on choosing only one developer,
then is it possible to use part of the profits derived
from commercial development to subsidize cultural
and arts events? It will give rise to grave concerns
if arts development involves too much commercialism.
The operation period lasts for 30 years (with a
50-year land lease). What will Government do if
in ten years' time the developer runs into financial
problems? Should Government play a more central
role in arts development, instead of leaving everything
to the developer? |
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The minimum requirement set by Government is
that 30% of the land must be used for arts and
cultural development. Of course, Government encourages
the developer to provide more facilities. The
design of the canopy also requires that the structure
should cover 55% of the land area. This requirement
has in effect restricted the height of the buildings
that can be built by the developer. If all the
developer does, is to build and hand the operation
over to Government, then it would be contrary
to the principle of "community participation",
that we all agree with.
Each of the three requirements (technical, finance
and operation) listed in the Invitation for Proposals
will be graded with 100 points as the full mark
(see Annex 3.1 of the document). If a developer
should propose that the operation of the cultural
district be handed over to Government, that developer's
score would understandably not be impressive.
This whole project aims at letting the developer
take charge of the development, including maintenance
and management.
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How will the suggestions of the Culture
and Heritage Commission fit in with the development
of the Cultural District? The Culture and Heritage
Commission has proposed that arts education is the
most important aspect of arts development but apart
from the proposed museums in the Cultural District,
developer are not required to develop space for
education nor is there any amount or percentage
of land earmarked for education purposes. Will a
visual arts academy be considered? The visual arts
academy can even be combined with the Museum of Modern Art or the Museum of Design. Also, the
Cultural District may want to consider providing
space for artists, arts groups and arts education
organisations to set up their studios or offices,
so that these members of the arts and cultural community
will be able to have a foothold in the Cultural
District. Under Norman Foster's canopy concept,
how can we attract world-class architects to design
distinctive buildings to house our museums? |
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The concept of the West Kowloon Cultural District
development proposed by the Culture and Heritage
Commission has been incorporated into the design
competition document. In its report, the Commission
says that the cultural facilities must (i) be
integrated with the non-cultural facilities in
the area to create the best synergistic effect
and a lively and open cultural setting; (ii) match
Hong Kong's other major cultural facilities to
ensure effective employment of resources; and
(iii) meet the long-term needs of Hong Kong's
cultural development. In addition, it recommends
a people-oriented, partnership-based and community
driven approach. To achieve these objectives,
the relevant "software" requirements
should be considered and efforts should be made
during the development process to foster a partnership
between the developer and the cultural community
to allow the cultural community's participation
in the planning and future operation of the facilities
in the area.
Government welcomes any proposal for developing
the other arts and cultural facilities to add
vitality and synergistic benefits to the area.
Provided it is fully justified, any development
of facilities, studios or offices for arts education
can be proposed for Government's consideration.
Government has proposed the themes of the museum
complex listed in the Invitation for Proposals,
but alternative themes are also welcomed. Regarding
construction design, each building in the cultural
area should have a distinctive style without being
limited by the canopy design. The architects should
be allowed to give full play to their design talent.
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Does Government request the developer
to organise a certain number of arts events per
year? If not, will the facilities be left unused
for a long time and that the Cultural District may
turn into a simply beautiful landmark? Also, will
Government suggest a rental ceiling? If the developer
is not committed to promoting the arts, how will
Government protect the arts groups? |
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Government encourages Proponents to
partner with local and overseas cultural organizations,
experts and professionals to work out the development
plans for the arts and cultural facilities. It is
a Government requirement that the eventual facilities
must be first-class and will examine the content
of programmes and the proposed mode of operation.
Government will also assess the detailed business
plans including mission statement, mode of operation,
programme content, business strategy and human resources
strategy to ensure that the interests of Hong Kong's
long-term cultural development can be met. In addition,
Government will monitor the operation, maintenance
and management standard of the facilities concerned
to ensure that the level of service quality expected
by Government is reached. Government hopes that
the cultural facilities can be managed effectively
and efficiently, with flexibility and in a business-oriented
approach. Fee policy will be one of the considerations
in the evaluation of the business plans proposed,
and a balance will be struck between user affordability,
market competition and demand. |
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How can the Proponents be informed
of the type of cultural facilities that the public
really wants? Also, given a site area of 40 hectares,
transport facilities in the Cultural District must
be properly arranged. If there is insufficient traffic
around, the developer may have trouble footing the
bill for the building and operation of the 29.4%
of core facilities. |
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Government hopes consultation forums
such as this one, could serve as a channel for the
arts and cultural community to express their views
on the West Kowloon Cultural District facilities
for the developer' consideration. With regard to
transport, the Kowloon Station of the airport railway
is located north of the West Kowloon Cultural District,
while the West Kowloon Station of KCRC's Kowloon
Southern Link to the east of the Cultural District
is being designed. Together with a bus terminus,
they will provide easy connections with major transportation
systems. |
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Can we have a "rehearsal square"
in the open piazzas? Artists will find rehearsing
more convenient and at the same time, it can attract
crowds of onlookers, thereby rousing public interest
in the arts. |
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Government encourages suggestions
for different activities that can complement the
arts and cultural facilities in order to add to
the area's attractiveness and vitality. In their
business plan submitted to Government, Proponents
may choose to include outdoor entertainment activities
to be held in the piazzas. |
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The West Kowloon District will not
be able to incorporate every Hong Kong cultural
groups' interests. What kind of support will there
be for future arts and cultural facilities or groups
outside the West Kowloon Cultural District? Secondly,
to avoid the West Kowloon Cultural District becoming
a cultural theme park, it is important that the
museums build a relationship with the community.
To facilitate co-operation between the developer
and art community, I would encourage the art communities
to form a group or organisation to make it easier
for the developer to consult and become aware of
their opinions. |
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The West Kowloon Cultural District
project is only one of many major elements which
will contribute to the long-term cultural development
of Hong Kong. Government will continue to support
and facilitate the overall development of arts and
culture. Government expects that the governing body
should be credible organisations of good public
and legally recognised standing and with sufficient
involvement by experts. |
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- It is not ideal for either
a developer or Government to operate the West
Kowloon Cultural District. First of all, without
relevant experience or networks, we doubt
if developer have the ability to develop a
cultural and arts district. Besides, the main
creative force of local arts comes from the
people. Direct Government operations of arts
and cultural facilities may arouse fears of
political interference. Bureaucracy will also
dampen the creativity of the community. I
suggest that Government consider setting aside
part of the revenue from the land sale or
asking the developer to commit 5% or more
of its investment capital to set up a West
Kowloon Cultural District Development Fund.
A board of directors made up of artists, arts
groups, arts educators and business people
should then be formed and given the task of
formulating operational strategy and direction
and developing the local cultural industry.
I also suggest Government to formulate a policy
with reference to overseas experiences, of
setting aside 1% of construction costs to
purchase artworks by local artists or to finance
creation of artworks that are in sync with
the environment. This is to ensure that the
developer supports artists who create art
for public spaces. Also, the ratio of cultural
facilities to commercial property in the Cultural
District should not be lower than the ratio
stated in the Invitation for Proposals (30%
for cultural facilities and 70% for commercial
use). Among the museum cluster, the Hong Kong
Museum of Modern Art is worth supporting.
In short, my suggestion is to let a foundation
or board of directors formed by members of
the arts community take charge of the development
and operation of the whole Cultural District
project. More importantly, the assessment
process must be transparent and involve representatives
of the arts community who should keep things
confidential if requested. |
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In May 2003, a group of people
who are passionate about ink painting formed
Ink Society, a non-profit organisation that
is open to developer, Government and the arts
community for consultation on the West Kowloon
Cultural District development. The society
is able to solicit many advisors from all
round the world consisting of curators and
professors from major museums and universities
to help make a world class Museum of Ink a reality.
One of my concerns is the management mode.
The best way is to consult some other major
museums. Many of them do have a Board of Directors
consisting of people from the cultural sector
and the community who are interested in the
arts. It also consists of business people
because the running costs of museums can be
tremendous. We also hope Government will be
involved. Any museum should have a major collection.
There are lots of world class collectors in
HK who would probably consider giving the
collection to the museum if Government is
involved and running the organisation well.
It is a marriage between business, the arts
and the Government. |
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Consultation Forum III - for developer and business
sector
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5:30 p.m.,
31 October (Friday) |
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Facilitator: |
Dr Peter Wong |
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Vice Chairman
of Hong Kong Arts Development Council |
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Participants: |
Mr Ngai Wing-chit |
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Principal Assistant
Secretary for Home Affairs (Culture) |
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Ms Agnes Tang
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Assistant Director of
Leisure and Cultural Services Department (Performing Arts) |
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Mr Thomas
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Deputy Secretary for
Housing, Planning & Lands (Planning & Lands) |
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Mr Kwan Pak
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Head of Project Co-ordination
Office, West Kowloon Cultural District Development |
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How is the figure of overall cost
of $24 billion arrived at? Is this an officially
recognized figure? Does the figure of $24 billion
include management and operational costs of the
cultural facilities for 30 years? |
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The $24 billion is a ballpark estimate,
a preliminary guide. Government baseline was based
on the winning entry of the Concept Plan Competition
in 2002. According to this winning design, the construction
costs should amount to $24 billion, excluding operation
costs. The funds needed for operation must be listed
out clearly in the development plan. Besides, there
are more than 10 developers in Hong Kong with development
experiences in projects totaling $3 billion, not
only two. |
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Hong Kong needs a concert hall that
meets international standards. Why is it not mentioned
in the Invitation for Proposals? |
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Three theatres and four museums are
among the core arts and cultural facilities. Provided
there are adequate justifications, Government welcomes
proposals that include other facilities, such as
a concert hall. |
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Would Government consider enhancing
the Chinese character of the concert hall by equipping
it with Chinese musical instruments such as bianzhong,
Yunnan's shuigu, or the largest drum and cymbals
in China? Apart from serving as a tourist attraction,
they may also be used by visiting orchestras for
rehearsal or for guided tours. |
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Other than the core facilities, Government
welcomes any suggestions on other arts and cultural
facilities. If the cultural sector believes in the
need for other arts facilities, such as a concert
hall, I am sure the Proponents will include this
as part of their proposals. |
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Once the West Kowloon project is completed,
how is the community-driven operation and programme
direction mentioned in the Culture and Heritage
Commission report to be realized? Would Government
be prepared to cover, with public monies, any eventual
loss? |
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As far as the software and hardware are concerned,
Government wants the Proponents to refer to overseas
experience and to study the Hong Kong situation
carefully before they submit their proposals.
Regarding sponsorship, two major kinds of Government
sponsorship are currently available: venue sponsorship
and performance sponsorship. In the future, "hardware"
sponsorship may not be necessary any more, but
"software" sponsorship remains open.
The arts and cultural groups making use of the
eventual facilities in West Kowloon may be Government
or privately-subsidised. We have much room for
maneuver here. The West Kowloon development will
feature complementary components while different
venues may have different modes of operation,
depending on the arrangement worked out between
the developer and the cultural sector.
Due to limited resources, cultural circles may
have to consider whether the sector needs a theatre
or a concert hall, or both. We should bear in
mind that a multi-functional venue is infeasible.
Before offering your advice to the developer,
please think carefully what the cultural sector
really needs.
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The guidelines for the entire development project
are vague, suffering from a lack of research,
consultation, policy directive and vision. A lot
of issues need to be addressed when handling a
project of such scale. For instance, what is a
first-class arts centre? What are the conditions
required for attracting first-class overseas artists?
How are we going to coordinate the facilities
in West Kowloon with those in other parts of the
territory so that resources will not be wasted?
How to create our uniqueness? How to promote local
arts development? Who are our target audiences?
How can we respond to their needs? What kind of
management structure will best meet the specified
goals? How to monitor the operation of the whole
project? In short, Government must develop its
arts and cultural policy for this project. It
should not pass this responsibility to a developer
without any relevant operational experience. Besides,
some sort of mechanism must be in place to ensure
that the participation of the cultural sector
becomes genuine partnership.
As regards the operation of museums, figures
show that arts museums in Hong Kong suffer an
annual deficit of $60 million and theatres $10
million (excluding programme expenditure). On
this basis, it is estimated that the future operation
of West Kowloon Cultural District will likely
incur an annual deficit of more than $300 million.
How can we break even? Given the current Government
sponsorship ratio of 1:99 and the Hong Kong Museum
of Art's admission fee of $10, we must raise the
fee to $990 to be able to break even. Is this
possible? How are we going to capitalize on other
facilities in the area to subsidize 99% of the
cultural expenditure? If we were to cater to popular
taste in order to popularize the facilities, will
avant-garde, alternative or more sophisticated
cultural programmes be able to survive? If not,
will it still qualify as a first-class arts and
cultural centre? Will the developer be prepared
to support projects unlikely to generate pecuniary
returns? What will be the mode of operation?
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The themes of the four museums were
decided after study and consultation.
The museums in the Invitation for Proposals
are suggestions only. Government welcomes any
other suggestions presented by the Proponents.
The four themes put forward by Government carry
with them certain backgrounds. After intense lobbying
by the arts sector, the need for a Museum of Modern Art in the Kowloon Park was confirmed during
the time of the Urban Council. The Museum of Ink
is being proposed because Chinese ink art best
captures the uniqueness of Chinese culture, with
an influence on the arts development in other
areas such as Japan and Korea. The Design Museum
was suggested because of the growth in recent
years of the number of world famous Hong Kong
designers. It is a good way to promote the art
of design to the young people. The Film Museum
is proposed to honour the remarkable development
of the Hong Kong film industry, and would include
many interactive and lively exhibitions. The existing
Hong Kong Film Archive is mainly for archive and
research purposes. The two play different roles.
Government is not conducting a tendering exercise.
It is inviting development proposals and is hoping
to receive more complete and precise proposals,
instead of continuing with the model previously
adopted by Government in developing cultural facilities.
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How will the proposals be assessed?
In the past, tender for projects were usually awarded
to developers who offer the highest bid, such as
the Cheung Kong Group. How would Government guarantee
that the assessment is fair and in the public's
benefit? Will the public and the Hong Kong arts
and cultural community be invited as a major part
of the selection committee? Would Government bow
again to monetary consideration and gives in to
the proposal that offers the most financial return? |
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This project aims at the development
of an arts and cultural centre, not real estate.
Its primary consideration, therefore, is focused
on cultural facilities and their operation. Due
to the confidentiality of financial information,
the assessment process will be undertaken by civil
servants. They will use a proven standard procedure.
However, we hope that the arts and cultural community
will offer concrete opinions concerning the selection
criteria. Before its final implementation, the selected
proposal must gain the full support of the people
of Hong Kong. |
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As far as financing is concerned,
does Government offer any concrete guidelines to
the developer? Will the developer of Hong Kong's
cultural landmark be responsible for long-term cultural
development planning? Or will Government remain
responsible? In the long run, what role would Government
play in this project? |
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In the Invitation for Proposals, Government
makes it clear that the Proponents must submit a
full financial plan that is workable in terms of
achieving self-sufficiency. The Proponents must
make a financial commitment to the full costs of
operating, managing and maintaining the arts facilities
for the first 30 years of operation. Government
will maintain a regulatory role in the operation
management system stipulated in any future project
development agreement. |
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Developing a commercial complex and
a cultural one requires two different types of knowledge.
The cultural complex of the whole project, although
only occupying one third of the area, is the CORE
of the whole project. Government requires the developer
to be one with $3 billion development expertise,
which is definitely expertise in the remaining two
thirds of the area of the development. With such
model, how could we guarantee that the selected
developer will put equal emphasis into the cultural
complex and the commercial complex? |
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The requirement of $3 billion experience
in project development is necessary to ensure that
the Proponents possess the capacity to execute this
mega project. It is not that we ignore the arts
and cultural expertise. On the contrary, in the
Invitation for Proposals document, we require the
Proponents to indicate the relevant expertise in
his team, including architects and engineers, and
experts in the operation and management of arts
and cultural facilities. |
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In the Invitation for Proposals, the
whole of the masterplan, apart from the Canopy and
the required arts and cultural facilities, is still
open for design. Thus, the way to separate the land
for auction is simple. Government will build the
cultural headland and auction the land to developer
fairly and squarely. Thus, non-profit arts and culture
and commercialism will be separated. |
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The masterplan of the entire district
has to work as a whole, both in terms of design
and financial viability. If Government were to separate
the commercial portion and the arts and cultural
portion, the masterplan would also have to be separated,
based on commercial assumptions of which Government
is not knowledgeable. It is dangerous to do this,
since it is highly possible that when the final
product is put back together, there would weak integration,
and it may not be financially balanced. Moreover,
money obtained from land sale goes to general revenue
and there is no certainty that the arts and culture
facilities will be given high priority in the allocation
of funding. |
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Arts education and classical music,
the most popular art form, should be given due attention.
Also, how will the wishes of the developer or consortium
concerned be balanced with those of the art groups? |
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The Invitation for Proposals document
provides for a partnership between the development
consortium and the cultural community for planning,
designing and operating the arts and cultural facilities
concerned. |
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If the development, design and operation
of West Kowloon is to reach international standards,
are Government officials responsible for planning
this project, and those responsible for evaluating
and selecting the developer in the future also up
to such standards? If it goes wrong, how are they
going to face all the people of Hong Kong? How can
the public participate? Besides, when no developer
in any country in the world has experience in developing
an arts and cultural area, how could we have confidence
that the prospective operator will have such experience? |
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The development concept of West Kowloon
Cultural District is nothing new. Phase I of the
Hong Kong Convention and Exhibition Centre in 1984
was based on the same concept, with proven results.
Given the size of the latest project, Government
will spare no effort to achieve a result that will
meet the satisfaction of both the arts and cultural
community and the general public. Government, however,
does not require the developer to operate the cultural
district all by itself, but to partner with individuals
and organizations with the relevant operational
experience and are subject to supervision by recognized
regulatory organizations and systems. |
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The performing arts facilities are
scheduled to become operational in 2010. Does Government
have any plans to train local performing artists?
Do we need to rely on foreign talents? Will this
affect future box office revenue and financial arrangements? |
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Government encourages the Proponents
to partner with local and overseas cultural organizations,
experts and professionals to develop proposals for
the arts and cultural facilities and activities
in the area for the benefit of all arts workers.
Government has attached great importance to developing
local talents and arts administrators, with the
Hong Kong Academy for Performing Arts, universities
and private arts schools all contributing to the
effort. As far as the new cultural district is concerned,
there will definitely be roles to play for the experienced
arts administrators and experts who are managing
the performance venues and museums under the Leisure
and Cultural Services Department. The widespread
attention that the project commands locally and
overseas will attract the best talents from all
sectors to come forward and be part of the development
process. |
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Museums are first and foremost collecting
institutions. They acquire and display their collections.
They are not merely exhibiting venues. Will Government
provide adequate resources to build these collections?
In Bilbao, people do not go just to look at the
building. They go to look at the Guggenheim collection
of modern art. Will Government make resources available
to acquire Guggenheim standard collections for Hong
Kong? When will Government start building these
collections? |
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Whatever the themes of the museums,
exhibits will need to be sourced in various ways,
such as through loan, purchase or donation, and
the associated copyright issues dealt with. Government
museums and film archives could be among the potential
sources for loan of exhibits. These facilities would
deal with each loan application on its own merits
and give due consideration to the necessary conditions
to be applied, as is usual with inter-museum loans.
The successful Proponent will be expected to build
up co-operative links with other museums, both locally
and internationally. |
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The Hong Kong Government has
a budget deficit. However, they should not
use that as a reason to pass the development
of the Cultural District to the developer.
If Government is so concerned about the operations
and success of the arts and cultural site,
they should sell the land to developer in
a open and fair land auction, keep a substantial
amount of money, then build and operate the
art and cultural site themselves. First, Government
will ease its deficit from land sales. Second,
the arts and cultural facilities will be managed
by a non-profit organisation. Third, it helps
Government build up a responsible image. |
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Cultural facilities are about
programmes (content) and facilities (building).
All world class cities have great content
in their facilities. The existing museums
do not even have a great collection, how are
we going to fill four museums? |
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Hong Kong needs a concert hall
that meets international requirements and
can attract audiences of different nationalities
and levels. It is not practical to convert
a theatre into a multi-purpose performance
venue. |
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We should set up a "Centre
of Asian Music" for the continuous development,
research and conservation of classical music.
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The cultural sector has high
hopes for this development project. We are
glad to know that Government is adopting an
open attitude regarding the project. But the
most important thing, is that the developer
must be able to tell cultural circles how
their vision can be realised, rather than
talking about cost effectiveness, or arguing
that if a certain facility is added, other
facilities must be scrapped. |
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In the past Hong Kong's development
projects suffered from a lack of cultural
uniqueness and beauty. We should refer to
more overseas examples. For the sake of sustainable
development, arts education, such as setting
up of a visual arts academy or children's
museum, is also necessary. Furthermore, the
developer should learn from the mode of operation
of some overseas private museums (e.g. Guggenheim
Museum in Bilbao). They should also learn
from the way "book cities" (large
bookshops) in Mainland pull people from different
segments of the cultural industry in under
one roof. The cultural sector and the developer
should maintain good communication in order
to achieve a win-win situation. |
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Hong Kong does not have a concert
hall with a stage big enough for an orchestra
or choir of several hundred members. Besides,
the natural acoustics of existing venues are
far from ideal, lagging a long way behind
other areas in Asia, such as the regional
concert halls in Japan. |
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Consultation Forum IV - Mode of Governance and Operation
of Arts & Cultural Facilities
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5:30 p.m.,
25 November (Tuesday) |
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Facilitator: |
Professor
Chan Wing-wah |
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Chairman
of Arts Promotion Committee of the Hong Kong Arts Development
Council |
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Participants: |
Mr Darwin
Chen |
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Chairman of the Hong
Kong Arts Development Council |
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Mr Ngai Wing-chit |
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Principal Assistant
Secretary for Home Affairs (Culture) |
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Ms Choi Suk-kuen |
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Deputy Director of Leisure
& Cultural Services (Culture) |
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Mr Lam Tin
Sing, Enoch |
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Chief Engineer of Project
Co-ordination Office, West Kowloon Cultural District Development |
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| Q: |
The Invitation for Proposals (IFP)
suggests that Proponents should refer to the mode
of governance of several overseas cultural facilities
- the Esplanade of Singapore, the Metropolitan Museum
of Art and the Museum of Modern Art of New York
and the Tate Modern of London - when drawing up
their proposals. Is this a hint of the collection
strategy for the four museums as well as their future
mode of governance? |
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The overseas cultural facilities mentioned
in the IFP are for references only. Government has
no preference for any specific mode. Proponents
can propose different modes of governance for different
facilities. |
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How does one become a Resident Company?
How does a Non-resident Company differ from a Resident
Company in the use of the West Kowloon Cultural
District's arts and cultural facilities? |
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The idea of having Resident Companies
is not a mandatory requirement, but a suggestion
given to developers. Government hopes that partnerships
can be formed between the Proponents and various
arts groups to foster cooperation and synergy. Therefore,
no criteria are listed in the Invitation for Proposals
for Resident Companies and the Assessment Panel
will make evaluations based on the Proponents' proposals. |
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The Hong Kong Arts Development Council
(ADC), which serves as a bridge between Government
and property developers, has a lot of experience
in overseeing arts groups. Will it be involved in
the operation, maintenance and management of future
arts and cultural facilities? |
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Statutorily the ADC may involve itself
in the operation, maintenance and management of
the facilities, but it has to depend on whether
the Proponents wish to work with it. |
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What is the concept behind the "Artists
Village"? Will the Proponents be responsible
for its facilities and finances? |
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For the Proponents' reference, ADC
gave several suggestions of other arts and cultural
facilities such as concert halls and bookshops.
The "Artists Village" was among the suggestions
put forward. The idea is for different arts organisations
to have a fixed working area where they can engage
in creative work. The "Artists Village"
does not have a fixed management strategy. The Proponents
can come up with their own proposals. |
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How does Government monitor the whole
project?
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There are three layers in the monitoring
process. First, the mode of governance proposed
should be conducive to enhancing the long-term cultural
development of Hong Kong and attracting public support.
The Proponent should provide assurance that the
facilities will be run in an effective, efficient,
business-oriented, financially responsible and publicly
accountable manner. The governing body of one or
more of the Core Arts and Cultural Facilities is
expected to be a body with legal and professional
credibility, open to participation by persons of
standing in the community and experts in the relevant
fields. Under specific circumstances, Government
will terminate the contract with the Successful
Proponent. Once the contract is terminated, Government
will require financial contributions/support from
the Successful Proponent to protect the interest
of taxpayers. Secondly, any changes to the approved
Development Brief are subjected to the approval
of Government. And lastly, as mentioned, the proposed
mode of governance must involve public participation
and possess public accountability. Besides, proposing
Other Arts and Cultural Facilities will most likely
worth an extra credit. |
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The Invitation for Proposals also
invites world-class cultural and arts organisations
from overseas to take part in the running of the
West Kowloon Cultural District. Will this reduce
the chance for local arts groups to participate
in this project? |
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The project aims to strengthen Hong
Kong's position as an international cosmopolitan
city, but at the same time, it is also important
to preserve and celebrate local culture. Overseas
arts organisations do not automatically enjoy an
advantage over local ones. I believe the two would
complement each other. |
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Will members of the local arts and
cultural community be allowed to participate in
the assessment process? Is Government worried about
the developers holding sway over the direction of
Hong Kong's arts and culture? Can arts and cultural
organisations submit a proposal to Government to
be integrated with the developers' proposals for
submission to Government for consideration? Can
the proposals state clearly that the future management
body must comprise a set proportion of members of
the arts and cultural community?
Also, how will Government judge whether the general
public supports the outcome of the assessment?
How can it ensure that the selected operation,
maintenance and management strategy is the most
favorable one? Are there any objective criteria?
Is it up to the decision of Government? Or, alternatively,
will be decided after a vote by members of the
public and the arts and culture community?
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Members of the public are involved
at every stage of the project. At Stage 3, the results
of the assessment will even be made public. The
proposal that will eventually be selected must be
endorsed and supported by the Hong Kong public.
Developers, therefore, will not dominate the project.
Government welcomes views from the public regarding
the appropriate mode of operation for the arts
and cultural facilities to serve as points of
reference for Government in assessing the proposals.
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What regulatory mechanism will Government
have? Which department will be involved in the regulatory
process? If the future arts and cultural facilities
were to be run by some management committees, who
would authorise the final discretion? |
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The regulatory mechanism will depend
on the mode of governance and operation proposed
by the Successful Proponent. Decision-making authority
is also closely connected to the chosen mode of
governance. If necessary, Government can terminate
the management contract with the Successful Proponent.
Government reserves the right to engage parties
other than the Successful Proponent to run the core
arts and cultural facilities. A "performance
bond" will be required from the Successful
Proponent to ensure satisfactory operation, maintenance
and management of the facilities throughout the
30-year operation period. |
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Can members of the arts and culture
community be allowed to participate in the assessment
process after balancing their interests by forming
a representative body? Also, how is the West Kowloon
project related to Hong Kong's long-term arts and
cultural policy? Does Government have a blueprint
for arts and cultural development in the next 10
to 50 years, which it hopes to fulfil in the West
Kowloon project? Government should state clearly
the aim of the project: whether it is built as a
Hong Kong landmark or for the long-term development
of the arts and culture, so that members of the
arts and culture community will have realistic expectations. |
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The development of West Kowloon offers
a very good opportunity for Government to focus
on cultural work. However, this project cannot solve
all the problems of arts and cultural development.
Besides, it is not necessary to wait until the completion
of the project to resolve these problems. It is
important that the whole project will put across
a very important message: that culture is important
for us. The issue of conflict of interest in the
suggestion of allowing members of the arts and culture
community to form a representative body and participate
in the assessment process would not be able to resolve. |
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Q. Do we have to name an operator
for each venue such as theatre or museums? Do we
have to name and provide CVs for the key management
personals of each venue? Secondly, please define
clearly the term "Resident Company" and
its role. Can we accommodate more than two Resident
Companies? |
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The Proponent is required to provide
detailed human resources strategy regarding the
operation of core arts and cultural facilities,
which should include an organisation chart and key
management staff, with indication of their qualifications
and experience, in order to ensure professional
standards are met in the operation. There should
be provision for housing two resident companies
I the Theatre Complex. As resident company is not
a mandatory requirement, Proponents are free to
suggest the number, nature and activities of the
resident companies when submitting their proposals. |
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| Other Opinions: |
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This project should not include
commercial elements and there is opposition
to allowing property developers to lead the
project. |
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The rent policy of the arts
and cultural facilities must take into consideration
the affordability of local arts and cultural
organisations. The underlying principle should
be one of ensuring the maximum use of the
facilities. |
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The Chairman of the Hong Kong
Arts Development Council and an experienced
overseas expert on developing arts and cultural
zones should be included in the assessment
process to lend credibility to the results
of the assessment. |
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The West Kowloon Cultural District
should develop its unique character. A city's
cultural character depends on Government's
cultural policies in areas such as nurturing
talents and fostering the arts and cultural
community. |
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Hong Kong does not have a concert
hall with a stage big enough for an orchestra
or choir of several hundred members. Besides,
the natural acoustics of existing venues are
far from ideal, lagging a long way behind
other areas in Asia, such as the regional
concert halls in Japan. |
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Consultation Forum V - Assessment Criteria
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Date: |
5:00 p.m.,
26 November (Wednesday) |
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Facilitator: |
Mr Tsang Kee-kung |
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Member of
the Hong Kong Arts Development Council |
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Participants: |
Mr Darwin
Chen |
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Chairman of the Hong
Kong Arts Development Council |
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Mr Ngai Wing-chit |
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Principal Assistant
Secretary for Home Affairs (Culture) |
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Ms Choi Suk-kuen |
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Deputy Director of Leisure
& Cultural Services (Culture) |
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Mr Lam Tin
Sing, Enoch |
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Chief Engineer of Project
Co-ordination Office, West Kowloon Cultural District Development |
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| Q: |
Can we developer, architect, engineer
obtain more detailed plans, especially in software
format of the entire West Kowloon area? This is
because the area map provided on the IFP is not
sufficiently detailed. Is the pier required for
the construction stage only or for long term use?
If can be used for a longer term, can it be moved
to other allocation? |
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The list of the plans and related
technical information showing some of the
major existing facilities is listed on the
project website. Those who are interested
can make an appointment with the Project Coordination
Office by e-mail or letter to inspect those
plans. They may also purchase them at the
stipulated price listed on the website. There
may also be other plans not listed on the
website. These plans may be available from
individual Government departments such as
the Water Supplies Department. |
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The pier is not a mandatory
requirement but is included in Government's
Baseline. Government expects the Proponent
to propose how the pier is to be provided.
The pier is a long-term infrastructure and
the Invitation for Proposals has already listed
the expected uses of the pier, though its
location has not been fixed. Government however
suggests that the pier be located to the south
of the site and positioned near to other transport
facilities and tourism attractions. |
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| Q: |
Given that this project will be located
in the Yaumatei / Tsimshatsui / Mongkok district
(YauTsimMong), will the views of the area's residents
be taken into consideration during the assessment
process? Apart from the fact that the property prices
in the area are pushed up by 5% to 10%, what will
be the benefits to the residents of the area? Will
the arts and cultural facilities eventually fill
up with tutorial centres or multifunctional halls
instead of making Hong Kong a bona fide cultural
metropolis? Doubtless, the views from the arts and
cultural community are important. Their concerns
are, however, different from those of the local
community. Don't you think the views from the local
community and the District Council are more important
in this project? |
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Government had already given the YauTsimMong
District Council a briefing on the West Kowloon
project. We believe that the Proponents will make
proposals on how to deal with issues that affects
residents, such as technical concerns, crowd control
and traffic and transport problems. If necessary,
Government will again consult the District Council
on the project. This project is developed for the
overall cultural development of Hong Kong - it is
a facility that belongs to the whole of Hong Kong.
Apart from focusing on the overall picture, the
Assessment Panel is also concerned with views from
the community. Government therefore welcomes suggestions
from local community on how to incorporate views
from the residents into the assessment process of
the West Kowloon project. |
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The operation, maintenance and management
of arts and cultural facilities are likely to run
into losses. With Government running a budget deficit
at the moment, how will the project be run in the
future? In terms of finances, how much Government
subsidies are needed? How do we ensure that the
operation, maintenance and other areas will not
run into problems? Is the Canopy technically viable?
How open is the entire process? I suggest increasing
the marks allocated to the Technical and Financial
Proposals, giving more thought to the possibility
of a monopoly arising from selecting one single
developer and garnering more views from members
of the public. |
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The technical, financial and operational
aspects are all important in their own right, which
explains why we have assigned the same marks for
all three Proposals. The Canopy design is a conceptual
proposal. Although there isn't such a large canopy
in the world at the moment, Government has already
made some preliminary technical appraisals for its
viability. The results showed that the Canopy was
technically viable. The requirements for the Canopy
design are listed in the Invitation for Proposals.
The Proponent must consider issues like wind engineering
and fire safety and submit a technical study report
for assessment. |
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If more marks are to be given for
proposals that include Other Arts and Cultural Facilities
like Concert Halls, will the maximum score of 100
marks be exceeded? From the standpoint of the developer,
the Core Arts and Cultural Facilities are insufficient,
but more arts and cultural facilities means less
commercial facilities, more construction costs and
a heavier operation burden during the 30-year Operation
Period. The proposal of Other Arts and Cultural
Facilities forms only part of the Technical Proposal
(35 out of 100 marks) and the Operation, Maintenance
and Management Proposal (60 out of 100 marks). Can
you explain in greater detail how many marks will
a proposal be awarded for proposing the development
of a Concert Hall? |
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The assessment of the Operation, Maintenance
and Management Proposals relating to Core and Other
Arts and Cultural Facilities carries a total of
60 marks. It is subdivided into 7 categories, one
of which is "Other Arts and Cultural Facilities".
Under this category, the following will be assessed:
themes and content, management strategy, programme
policy, complementary with the Core Arts and Cultural
Facilities, and business strategy. Proposing any
Other Arts and Cultural Facilities such as a Concert
Hall by the Proponent will be evaluated in this
context. Government welcomes specific views on the
7 categories for this part of the assessment.
Marks will also be awarded for proposing any
Other Arts and Cultural Facilities in the assessment
of the Technical Proposal in respect of the conceptual
design for arts and cultural facilities and open
space, which carries 35 marks. It is subdivided
into three categories, one of which is "Other
Arts and Cultural Facilities".
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Q. The selection panel will be composed
of Government officials. Since the ADC is Government
endorsed organisation. Will the ADC be part of the
selection panel? This will justify the West Kowloon
Site as not a real estate project, but an art development
project. |
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As the ADC is not a Government department,
it will not be part of the Assessment Panel. After
the result of the assessment is made public, Government
is likely to consult various departments and/or
relevant bodies. As the sole statutory body to plan,
promote and support the broad development of arts
in Hong Kong, the ADC will not shy away from reflecting
the views of the arts and cultural community. |
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I hope Government will carefully consider
the Human Resources and Staff Structure category
during the assessment process. Also, can Government
assess will, given the development opportunities
presently available, local artists are properly
nurtured for the coming West Kowloon project which
is scheduled for completion 10 years from now? |
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Despite of the development of the
West Kowloon project, the nurturing of artistic
talent and audiences is an issue Government has
to address. |
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In the design brief, appropriate forecast
of demand for public transport services, vehicular
and pedestrian access is required in related to
the overall traffic within the Kowloon Peninsula.
It is understood that Government has carried such
study in the past. How can such information be released? |
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Proponents may make reference to a
broad traffic impact assessment study for WKCD undertaken
by Government on the basis of Government's Baseline.
A soft copy of the final report is provided in the
CD-ROM included in Volume Two of the IFP and also
available in the project website. |
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In Section 4 of the IFP, it is expressly
stated that "Concert Hall... should not be
pursued." However, Concert Hall was mentioned
in all the forums and discussions. Please clarify
this immediately as developers cannot consider a
Concert Hall according to the present specification
of the IFP. |
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Section 4 of the IFP stating that
"Concert Hall... as proposed in the Foster
Scheme should not be pursued" is intended to
set out, in comparison with the Government's Baseline,
the modifications required to the Foster Scheme
in terms of provision of major arts and cultural
facilities. Government requires Proponents to provide
other arts and cultural facilities to complement
the core ones and to enhance vibrancy of the district.
Hence, with the support of justifications, Proponents
can propose a concert hall for Government's consideration. |
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Since the selection process will be
open and transparent, will the points scored to
the individual schemes be published to the public?
After all, in the selection process for the original
design of the entire area, the team that had won
the most technical points did not get it, and it
was awarded to Foster, perhaps, for his brand name? |
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The entire judging process
of the Concept Plan Competition, including that
by the Technical Panel and the Jury, was done without
any participants knowing the identity of the author.
The process complies fully with the normal practice
of design competitions worldwide, and endorsed by
the Hong Kong Institute of Architects. Further,
after the winners were selected, only the identity
of the 5 winners were revealed to the Jury, and
subsequently to the public. (In addition, there
were no "technical points" given to individual
entrants of the competition).
In the WKCD case, similar to standard practice
of all Government tender, "points" would
not be made public.
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Proponents, who suggest the
building of Other Arts and Cultural Facilities,
should be awarded extra marks so as to balance
the 3:7 ratio of arts and cultural facilities
to property development facilities. As a rule
of thumb, the whole project should be focused
on arts and cultural facilities. The current
allocation of marks where 100 marks are awarded
to each of the Technical, Financial and Operation,
Maintenance and Management Proposals may not
be able to fulfil the goal of development
of the arts and culture in Hong Kong. |
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Statutory bodies abiding strictly
by conflict of interest guidelines should
be allowed to take part in the assessment
process. |
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Members of the arts and cultural
community should be consulted before the result
of the assessment is announced so that they
will be able to compare the various proposals.
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The entire assessment process
does not attach much importance to the "mission
in arts and culture". The conceptual
design for the Arts and Cultural Facilities
and Open Space category in the Technical Proposal
accounts for only 35 marks out of 100 marks.
This definitely does not justify the focus
on arts and cultural in this project. The
"mission in arts and culture" should
be independently assessed. Furthermore, "Arts
and Culture Facilities" should not be
grouped in the same category as "Open
Space" as they are nothing to do with
each other. |
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When announcing the result
of the assessment, please inform the public
how the Successful Proponent can realise Government's
cultural vision for the next 30 years. |
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At present, the assessment
criteria are based on the concerns of the
developers, without consideration for the
development of arts and cultural. Government
should take it upon itself to promote arts
and cultural instead of making it easy for
developers. |
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The world's first "World
Invention Expo Centre" should be built
in West Kowloon Cultural District to exhibit
technological inventions from all over the
world. This will foster the science and technology
education in long run. |
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The assessment should focus
on the operational capability of the Proponents.
Affordability of the general public should
also be considered, so that everyone in Hong
Kong can benefit from this cultural project. |
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The acoustics of a Concert
Hall is critical and I would like the developers
to pay special attention of this when constructing
a Concert Hall. |
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Four assessment criteria are
suggested as follow:
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Design/Technical/Operation
Proposals for Arts and Cultural Facilities
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100 |
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Design/Technical/Operation
Proposals for Other Facilities* |
100 |
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Financial
Proposal |
60 |
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Masterplan |
40 |
*Include Open Space,
Commercial Facilities, Entertainment Facilities,
Residential Area, Public Amenities, the Canopy,
Automatic People Mover System and Pier. |
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Seminar on the West Kowloon Cultural District Project
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Date: |
6:30 p.m.,
9 February 2004 (Monday) |
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Facilitator: |
Professor
Chan Wing-wah |
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Chairman
of Arts Promotion Committee of Hong Kong Arts Development
Council |
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Participants: |
Mr Darwin
Chen |
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Chairman of the Hong
Kong Arts Development Council |
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Prof. Lo King
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Chairman of Arts Support
Committee of Hong Kong Arts Development Council |
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Mr Vincent
Fung |
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Principal Assistant
Secretary for Home Affairs (Culture) |
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Ms Agnes Tang
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Asst Director (Performing
Arts) of Leisure and Cultural Services Department |
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Mr Kwan Pak
Lam |
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Head of Project Co-ordination
Office, West Kowloon Cultural District Development |
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| Q: |
The Government should be aware of the problems
confronting Singapore's Esplanade, such as water
leakage through the canopy glass, cleaning difficulties,
excessive air-conditioning costs, strong draughts
at the piazzas during typhoons, and the heavy
construction cost of the canopy. There is a possibility
that Hong Kong may be burdened by the same problems.
Foster's design will make the facility inflexible.
The mode of management remains fuzzy.
We should indeed pay attention to the cleaning
and ventilation problems of the canopy. In addition,
independent financial assessment should only be
conducted after the Government has short-listed
the proponents and an appropriate body, not necessarily
an academic institution, should be appointed for
the task. Furthermore, during the assessment of
the proponents' financial proposals, the Government
should consider giving extra credits to those
capable of securing additional, such as private,
funding to sponsor parts of the arts and cultural
facilities. The extra funding will certainly reduce
the requirement for public funds and also eliminate
the need to rely on commercial activities to help
finance the operation of the facilities.
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The canopy was one of the key design concepts
of the first-prize winner of an international
competition held in 2001. The Government is currently
inviting proposals for more detailed approaches
for development of West Kowloon Cultural District,
including technical details for the canopy. After
assessment of all the proposals, if it is proven
that the canopy is infeasible to build or it is
not value for money, government will definitely
review the approach. But it is too early at this
stage to criticize the canopy approach.
The Government is waiting for proponents to put
forward innovative ideas on the financial arrangement
for arts and cultural facilities and commercial
activities.
In terms of financial assessment, the public
should be furnished with credible figures for
reference. Such figures should help them compare
and understand the financial arrangements put
forward by various proponents. Proponents differ
in their ways of computing land values, which
will in turn influence their business strategies,
especially in providing "Other Arts and Cultural
Facilities" and the funds required for 30
years' operation. Independent financial assessment,
covering land and construction costs, the costs
involved in "Other Arts and Cultural Facilities"
as well as operational and maintenance expenses,
should help the public gauge whether proponents
will receive reasonable returns in the entire
development project.
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Is the questionnaire survey based
on individuals or organisations? Will results be
calculated on two different bases? Besides, by allowing
a single developer to develop the entire project,
we run the risks of creating a monopoly. Will the
Government set up a mechanism to deal with this
possibility? |
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The survey results will be analysed by professionals
and we will listen to expert views regarding the
basis of data analysis. The survey reflects public
opinions, which can serve as reference for the
Government and potential proponents.
The Government will deal with the proposals in
the most stringent manner to ensure that the Successful
Proponent meets the highest standards. On the
issue of land costs, as the land is already there,
any prolonged delay will be an opportunity cost.
In respect of the question of single developer,
the advantage is that public demands for arts
and cultural facilities will be fulfilled, without
turning it into a pure property project.
The important thing about the financial arrangement
is not only the land value, but also the financial
cost which includes the construction cost, its
interests and the cashflows. The best way, if
possible, is for the proponent to complete the
commercial and the residential parts first so
that its financial return can be used to support
the construction and operation of arts and cultural
facilities. At the same time, the proponent should
make use of low-interest borrowings to reduce
development costs.
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What will the Government do before
collecting the proposals? How are these proposals
going to be assessed? |
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The departments concerned are busy
on the preparation works for receiving and assessment
of proposals. They are consulting the cultural sector
and professional institutes in construction and
property development on their views on WKCD, especially
guidelines for assessment of proposals. The results
of this consultation process will be used to fine-tune
the details of the guidelines for assessment of
proposals, with a view of better meeting public
expectations. Furthermore, our office we will fit
out a designated venue for receiving, storage and
assessment of proposals. |
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| Q: |
Which organisation commissioned Norman
Foster to design the canopy? Was it a private developer? |
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Foster and Partners, the first-prize
winner of the Concept Plan Competition, was commissioned
by Sun Hung Kai Properties Ltd. |
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At present, all performing arts in
Hong Kong require government subsidy. Will the developer
be able to provide sufficient funds for operating
on a 30-year basis and with an appropriate level
of funding growth year by year? Compared with the
construction costs of $25 billion, the operating
and maintenance costs of a medium-sized theatre
for 30 years should not exceed $1.5 billion at current
prices. Is it necessary for the Government to offer
land in return for the developer's agreement to
finance such costs? If the Government is financially
strapped, a persistent monitoring system for financial
performance will be necessary. |
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The Government hopes to make good
use of the land in West Kowloon, while developing
high-quality arts and cultural facilities. In fact,
the Government will try to work with private developers
not just on West Kowloon, but also on other sports
and infrastructure projects. Once we have received
the proposals, we will assess whether the proposed
development meets our expectations. |
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Is the project targeted at tourists
from the Greater China Region or from overseas?
What are the unique advantages Hong Kong has over
mainland China to attract tourists? Does the Government
have a clear direction concerning arts development?
Is the art policy of West Kowloon supposed to be
proposed by the developer? If local residents are
our target audience, how can we ensure sufficient
local audience to support the entire cultural district
by 2010? Or is the developer supposed to propose
how future target audience should be nurtured? |
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West Kowloon is open to all without
restricting access to any specific audience base.
The entire project aims at achieving integration
and partnership on several levels: between Government
and the public, between the developer and the cultural
sector, between software and hardware, and between
high culture and popular culture. West Kowloon is
a place of creativity, partnership and accommodation. |
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If we emphasize at this stage that
"the Government may provide additional funds
when necessary", are we actually encouraging
the developer to rely on the Government? |
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As stated in our invitation for proposals,
proponents are asked to elaborate on their financial
arrangements, including whether Government funds
are required. At this stage, the Government has
no comment on such arrangement. |
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| Q: |
Are art classes conducted on a commercial
basis considered economically viable activities?
Should advertising, commercial film production and
graphic design be considered art subjects? |
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They should be counted as art, being
an integration of commerce and art. |
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How do we strengthen the character
of the facilities? How is the "Performing Arts
Organising Committee" to be formed? |
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Different facilities will be managed
by different bodies with different Resident Companies
to achieve diversified arts development. A recognised
committee will be put in place to oversee the coordination
of all performance facilities while serving as a
channel of communication between various management
bodies. Specific details on management and co-operation
are subject to future discussions among them. |
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We should develop not only a cultural
district, but also an audience base. We need mass
education to create a proper cultural environment.
However, the higher secondary school curriculum
we have seen lately obviously pays little attention
to arts education. This grand project deserves collaboration
from the Education and Manpower Bureau. |
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The departments concerned are liaising
with the Education and Manpower Bureau for information
on the latest development of the concerned topic
as well as the follow-up actions. |
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As far as the independent financial
assessment is concerned, it's difficult to
predict the land value by 2010. The only way
is to base comparisons on the assumption that
the Government will manage the project itself,
with reference to the economic benefits to
be derived from the project. Whether land
value would rise or fall in 30 or 50 years'
time is not an important issue of interest
for the public and for the developer for the
time being. What's important is the current
value of this piece of land. |
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The Government should put the
project on hold and leave it to the next Government
to decide. The involvement of developers also
raises public worries. Besides, if the Government
tries to involve property developers just
because of its deficit problems, there would
surely be negative consequences. The canopy
design is not suitable for the local climate.
A new design is warranted. |
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Land prices are unpredictable,
and yet developers have to commit themselves
to the development costs of the arts and cultural
facilities. From the business point of view,
this project may well become another Cyberport.
Besides, the canopy design is an expensive
one. It will become a heavy burden for the
Hong Kong people. The Government should take
the Sydney Opera House as reference. |
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Given the existing glut of
capital supply, getting a loan is not a problem
with the development consortium. What is important
is the land value. |
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There is no leakage problem
at Singapore's Esplanade. The waterfront ambiance
is quite nice. The canopy design is not necessarily
bad. |
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There should be a major library
in the cultural district, while every venue
and facility should be planned such that it
will be spacious and comfortable. |
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Agree with the establishment
of a museum to showcase artefacts of China,
with exhibitions of the arts and crafts of
Chinese ethnic minorities. Furthermore, since
China was among the first to have contact
with Africa, it is suggested that a display
room be set up under the "Chinese Arts
and Crafts Museum", or another museum
to be set up, to display arts and crafts of
African minorities. |
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Briefing on the Academic Financial Study for The West Kowloon Cultural District
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6:00 p.m.,
10 May 2004 (Monday) |
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Facilitator: |
Professor
Chan Wing-wah |
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Member of the Hong Kong Arts Development Council (HKADC) and Chairman of the Arts Promotion Committee |
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Participants: |
Dr Darwin Chen |
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Chairman of the Hong
Kong Arts Development Council |
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Dr Desmond Hui |
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Centre for Cultural Policy Research, The University of Hong Kong |
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Dr K C Wong |
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Centre for Cultural Policy Research, The University of Hong Kong |
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What is the plot ratio used in the Study Report? If the ratio is increased to 3 or 3.5, how will it affect the results of the Study?
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The plot ratio is based on 1.81 as stipulated in the government's Invitation for Proposals (IFP). As the ratio of developable floor area to site area, plot ratio is a measure of the density of the overall development. The higher the ratio, the greater number of buildings can be built. However, the cost of construction will also increase as a result. The Study Report assumes a price of $7,000/sq ft for the development, based on total construction costs, inclusive of the canopy, of about $3,000/sq ft and an accommodation value of around $4,000/sq ft. If the plot ratio were to double, meaning if twice the floor area of buildings were to be constructed, maintaining an accommodation value of $4,000/sq. ft., the land value would be doubled. The Trust Fund and operational income would also increase accordingly.
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According to the Study Report, Theatres A, B and C, operating under commercial principles, will make a profit of approximately $88 million. Assuming that there are three Resident Companies, the annual income for each company will be $29.33 million, which works out to a net box office income of $560,000 per week. Assuming that the 400-seat theatres put on five performances a week, there will be 2,000 people purchasing the tickets to these performances, where the average price of tickets is $280. If there is a three-tier pricing scheme, then the ticket prices will be $400, $280 and $160. These figures represent net returns to the Resident Company according to the Report. Please note this arrangement does not include concessions for students and senior citizens. However, in reality, a 400-seat theatre can only put up a medium-sized production, not a Broadway musical. It is also impossible for ticket prices to be set at the high levels implied in the Report.
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The average attendance of Broadway shows is around 67% and the average price of the tickets is HK$480. The Study Report uses Broadway's figure as the basis for the operation of the three theatres. Cultural programmes in Hong Kong cannot be performed in the same venue for long periods of time, thus making it difficult to lower costs. At the same time, art companies also lack the marketing resources as of Broadway's. However, it is possible for Hong Kong to attain Broadway standards in the future because the West Kowloon Cultural District is a unique development in Southeast Asia. This Study Report also noted that compared to the 39 Broadway Theatres in New York, 400 seats are too few; and 2,000 too many. Bringing these two figures closer may bring economies in operations.
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